Undisclosed Prison in Oregon.
Steven Stroud is sitting across from me, opening a bag of Reese’s Pieces, in the visiting room of a prison in Oregon that has been his home for the past 12 years. He’s agreed to an interview but asks that the institution not be named.
In a past life, Stroud was a Nazi skinhead, making it his business to create a white homeland in the Pacific Northwest. Now he’s extending his hand to offer me, someone who would have been excluded from his white homeland, some candy.
Years ago, he renounced racism and dedicated himself to working against hate. I’ve come to visit him to ask about Patriot Prayer, and how the movement led by Joey Gibson is seen through the eyes of a former Nazi.
“They’re nativist bigots,” he says. “But because they’re multiracial, they’re more popular than we ever were.”
Indeed, Gibson, who grew up in Camas, Washington, often notes that he’s part Japanese. And, one of the most prominent Patriot Prayer brawlers, Tusitala “Tiny” Toese is from American Samoa.
“White supremacists that I've spoken to don’t know how to take Gibson, because his message is familiar, but his look isn’t,” Stroud says.
Though white supremacists have attended Patriot Prayer events, Gibson often has defended himself and his movement against claims that he’s aligned with white supremacists, in part, on the fact that he’s a person of color.
Stroud doesn’t buy it.
“Take the color out of your skin and look at the rhetoric,” he says. “Nazis would see this and say, ‘Those are good values.’ Almost identical beliefs in different packaging.”
I ask him what supremacist gangs think of Gibson.
“He’s not a player,” he tells me, curtly.
“But,” he quickly adds, “if I was still in command, I would look at him as useful.”
The neo-Nazi propaganda website Daily Stormer, has written at least 10 favorable articles about Patriot Prayer over the past few years. Below is an example from 2018, but understanding them requires a crash course in supremacist slang:
- “56%” refers to the alleged percentage of mixed-race Americans who view themselves as white.
- “88%” is a reference to “Heil Hitler.” H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler.
- “Goblinos” is a derogatory term for mixed-race Americans.
- “Brown privilege” is a reference to the idea that people of color are unfairly favored by society and can get away with things their white peers could not. It is a common talking point among white supremacists.
Daily Stormer, Aug. 4, 2018:
“I couldn’t find one thumbnail of Patriot Prayer that isn’t 56%, but don't be fooled-These are /our guys/. … I’m 88% certain that there are ...white aryan master race Nazis in shades and three-piece suits, whispering into their earpieces and coordinating everything. They have learned that it is only by fielding goblinos on the front line that they can weaponize brown privilege, which is the only plausible defense of their first amendment rights in the current year.”
March 14, 2019
Undisclosed bar. Vancouver, Washington
Billy Wilson, the man charged with reckless driving after turning his truck into a crowd of leftist protesters in September 2017, sits by himself on a barstool. Across from me is Gibson, a few tequilas deep. Sitting at the table next to us is Russell Schultz and Steve Drury, sort-of lieutenants of Patriot Prayer.
Gibson invited me to join him and others at a Patriot Prayer-friendly bar in Vancouver. He’s asked me not to disclose its name out of concern activists will pressure the owner to ban him.
“I can’t go into most Portland bars for that reason,” Gibson told me earlier that day. We were walking away from a City Council meeting in Ridgefield, Washington, where Gibson gave a speech on gun rights.
I’d met Gibson a year earlier and asked him if he would let me shadow him for a longer interview.
Gibson agreed, and allowed me to record portions of the evening for my notes. He invited me to the bar to see him and other Patriot Prayer members in their element.
“Jeremy Christian is not a racist,” Gibson says, apropos of nothing. I give him a blank look because the name doesn’t register.
“How long have you lived in Portland?” Gibson asks, suspicious that I don’t know the name.
I tell him it’s been a few years. He leans back and tells me to look it up. I do:
On May 27, 2017, Jeremy Christian is accused of fatally stabbing two men and wounding a third onboard a MAX light-rail train.
Christian allegedly shouted hate speech at two black teenage girls, one of whom wore a hijab, when the three men, Ricky John Best, Taliesin Myrddin Namkai-Meche, and Micah David-Cole Fletcher, rose to their defense.
Christian allegedly pulled out a knife and killed Best and Namkai-Meche. His trial is set to begin soon.
It was later reported that a month earlier, in April 2017, Christian attended a Patriot Prayer event.
I look at Gibson.
“Nobody knew him,” Gibson says. “He showed up to one event and the media made it seem like he was a member of Patriot Prayer.”
“He was a Bernie supporter,” Gibson continues, noting that Christian’s social media trail suggested he supported dozens of conflicting causes, including Democratic-socialist Bernie Sanders, and was too scattered to have a real ideology.
Still, I’m confused why Gibson would volunteer, unprompted, to defend Jeremy Christian against charges of racism. I tell him he can’t be serious; the MAX stabbing was obviously racist.
But Gibson is adamant that Christian is not racist.
“They call me racist,” Gibson says, and then challenges me, with a glass of tequila in his hand, to name one racist thing that he’s ever said.
I let him continue.
He reminds me that he is not white and points to what he sees as an absurdity of mostly white anti-fascist activists calling him, a dark-skinned man, a racist.
I’ve heard this before. I keep turning over the phrase “Jeremy Christian is not a racist” in my mind and wonder what a person would have to do to meet Gibson’s standards of racism.
And I have a related question: Though Gibson has distanced himself from Christian, and video shows members of Patriot Prayer asking Christian to leave the April 2017 rally, why do white supremacists keep showing up at Patriot Prayer rallies?
“You’re not going to find too many white supremacist groups going out in public to rally,” says Brad Galloway, a former member of the Oregon-based neo-Nazi gang Volksfront who now works with groups like “Life After Hate” combating racism and hate. “Instead you’ll see them blend into these palatable groups, like Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer.”
Proud Boys is a gang started by Vice magazine co-founder Gavin McInnes. Members describe themselves as “Western Chauvinist” and have a history of violence. At one time, Proud Boys provided informal security at Patriot Prayer events and the two groups shared a few members, including Russell Schultz. According to Schultz, a falling out led Proud Boys to dissociate and pull out from all future Patriot Prayer events.
Groups like Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys “make a public display of American, Christian values,” says Galloway, who is based in Canada, where he was once a leader in the skinhead movements in Toronto and Vancouver. “These events attract neo-Nazis, skinheads, militia groups, the hardcore guys that show up. It’s like a convention center for white supremacists.”
Stroud, the former skinhead I interviewed in an Oregon prison, agreed, saying that Patriot Prayer rallies offer a relatively safe environment for people whose views are not welcome in a place like Portland.
“How do you find like-minded people when your views aren’t popular?” Stroud says. “It’s not like having other hobbies, where you can talk about it at work. So where do you go?”
“The Lars Larson Show,” with guest Joey Gibson. Portland. June 1, 2019
Larson: “I appreciate what you’re doing for this reason. For the most part, conservatives are not confrontational. The left, liberals tend to be confrontational. I could give you a thousand examples where leftist have taken to the streets of Seattle, Portland, Eugene, other cities, Spokane. They’ve caused riots, they’ve confronted the police, they’ve physically assaulted people, they've damaged property, they’ve set fire, they’ve done all those things and, yet, conservatives just don’t tend to roll that way. And so, to some extent, that tends to work against us.
“When the left wants to make a ruckus and get some coverage for their issue, they just go out and do it. Conservatives tend not to. But I think you’ve found a way to do this, and do it within the law, and within what I would consider proper behavior, pure civil disobedience where you show up and people begin to blow a gasket, because, as you say, they know who you are and they know what you stand for.”
Patriot Prayer events have played out with a similar plot line for years:
Gibson announces a rally in a liberal city.
Anti-fascist activists show up.
Gibson wanders into their ranks in the expectation that one of them will attack him.
He streams video of it online, garnering sympathy and donations from the audience at home.
I ask Gibson whether invoking violent reactions against him is part of his plan, and we talk specifically about the Aug. 4, 2018, rally where he walked across police lines to immerse himself in the antifa crowd. Antifa stands for “anti-fascist.” Some members wear all black clothing and mask their faces at protests.
You walked across to the other side, I say.
“August Fourth? That wasn’t a beating because I got out,” Gibson says.
I ask: When you went over to the other side, ostensibly the intention was to talk, right?
What was the intention of going to the other side?
“The intention was to go to the other side,” he says, “to allow them to do whatever they wanted to do to me, without fighting back.”
So, you wanted them to attack you? To show: Look, this is who these people are?
“To say I wanted them to attack isn’t true,” Gibson says. “I wanted to give them the opportunity to do what they wanted. For them to not attack me, that’s not a loss, that’s a win. We’re gonna go over there, let them do what they want to do, get it on film, let the world see the truth. The fact that I walked over there, that they didn’t stab me, they didn’t do things I expected them to do, that’s a win. For everybody.”
Daily Stormer, Aug. 18, 2019:
“Patriot Prayer really does do a good job of showing legendary Liberal/Leftist tolerance in action to the masses. … I’d say that they unironically have a much better media strategy than any Alt-Right organizers. … At least Joey Gibson understands that Americans don’t like to see women and old men and Christians getting beaten up by fat college kids. … It may suck for the individuals who take a ride … to Portland only to get maced and set upon with hammers, but it does make for solid anti-Lefty propaganda.”
Russell Schultz, one of the Patriot Prayer lieutenants, explains that the group needs a foil.
“If it wasn’t for antifa, nobody would know who we are,” he says.
“Yeah,” Gibson agrees, “antifa made me.”
Schultz ponders what would have happened if antifa had stayed home.
“Nobody would pay attention to us,” he says. “In liberal Portland we would be a couple of crazies, nutcases carrying a flag. We wouldn’t have a platform. We’d have been like four or five guys waving flags over an overpass. They’re the ones that made us famous.” Schultz says.
Schultz explains how he encouraged the strategy to bring outsiders to provide muscle at rallies, and later came to regret the whole idea.
“We knew we couldn’t go into Portland without (antifa) opposing us,” Schultz says. “We needed to bring people in who would defend people aggressively. I begged him (Gibson) to do this, he didn’t want to do it.”
The idea, he says, was that antifa would start a fight, but the Patriot Prayer supporters would respond with “such an overwhelming force that once the punching started, these guys could finish the job. And that's what they did.”
Schultz then tells me about the problems with “bringing people in.”
“We can’t do a rally in downtown Portland and have all these weird people (with us) just because they want to fight,” Schultz says. “They aren’t Trump people, they aren’t Democrats, they just show up because they want to fight.”
The kind of people he’s referring to?
“We had people like Identity Evropa, whoever those guys are. And all these other groups I’ve never heard of,” Schultz says.
“Yeah, these, uh, I don’t know if they’re white supremacists, but they’re white identitarian groups,” Schultz says, using the term Identity Evropa uses to describe itself.
The Southern Poverty Law Center, which lists Identity Evropa as a “designated white nationalist hate group,” notes that “Identity Evropa members insist they’re not racist, but ‘Identitarians’ who are interested in preserving Western culture.”
The Anti-Defamation League characterizes Evropa as “a white supremacist group that is focused on the preservation of ‘white American identity’ and promoting white European culture.”
I ask Schultz what it means to be an “identitarian.”
“I’m not one of those people that thinks we need to preserve white people,” he says, answering a question I didn’t ask. “Because by the time white people are no longer on the planet, I’m gonna be dust and bones. …”
Undisclosed prison. Oregon.
Steven Stroud says he can see why Gibson has drawn such a following.
“He’s well spoken,” Stroud says. “Intelligent. A good old-fashioned biblical boy. Old ladies like my mother see him on the news and think, ‘Why are these masked thugs throwing bottles at him?’
“To people like my mom, he’s a good old-fashioned church boy,” Stroud says. “But he’s preaching the same ideas we were. It’s just a different face.”
Joey’s business Contractor tied to Patriot Prayer did work on two Vancouver police buildings
Describing Patriot Prayer has been challenging to journalists, activists and public officials.
Is it a conservative advocacy organization? A right-wing America-First political movement? A white supremacist hate group?
Legally, things are a bit clearer. Until recently, Patriot Prayer was a company. And, one with loose ties to the Vancouver Police Department.
Patriot Prayer USA LLC was established in February 2019 as a limited liability corporation in the state of Washington. The 2019 records on file with the Washington Secretary of State’s office list Joey Gibson as the registered agent and two corporate officers: Jesse and Erin Murray from La Center, Washington.
The Murrays own Painting Perfection Inc., which offers commercial and residential painting in Washington and Oregon.
In 2017 Halbert Construction hired Painting Perfection as a subcontractor, to clean and seal the brick of the Vancouver Police Department’s East Precinct and evidence building. The Painting Perfection Facebook page shows a Painting Perfection crew working on the East Precinct building on Sept. 5, 2017. The invoice, obtained through a public records request, shows the city paid the company $105,979.03 for its work.
Patriot Prayer USA wasn’t registered until 2019, nearly a year and a half after the Murrays’ private company worked on the exterior of the Vancouver police building. But Painting Perfection Inc. remains eligible for government contracts.
In a brief phone interview, Jesse Murray confirmed his connection to Patriot Prayer USA and affirmed his support of Gibson’s activism. He agreed to meet for a longer interview but canceled.
It turns out that while Painting Perfection was working on Vancouver Police Department properties, officers for the department were monitoring the group the Murrays would help incorporate.
Internal emails from the Vancouver Police Department reveal that as early as March 29, 2017, officials were aware that “white supremacist groups” attended Patriot Prayer events.
Emails further reveal that as early as February 2018 the Vancouver Police Special Investigations Unit began “monitoring Joey and the activity his events have generated.”
Lindsay Schubiner, program director at the Western States Center, questions the propriety of city funds going to members of groups like Patriot Prayer.
“Vancouver government should enact policies and procedures to ensure that public funds are not going to contractors involved with groups that promote political violence, undermine public safety, and attack vulnerable communities,” says Schubiner, whose Portland-based nonprofit works to counter “movements that exploit bigotry and intolerance."
Vancouver City Manager Eric Holmes declined to be interviewed for this article.
Asked whether awarding contracts, in the future, to groups the city is investigating presents a conflict of interest, the city issued a response through a spokesperson.
“The City of Vancouver and the Vancouver Police Department conduct background checks on contractors and subcontractors who will be working on City buildings or property,” the statement reads. “Background checks for contractors and subcontractors, who work for a private company, are not as in-depth as the background checks completed for employees or representatives of the City of Vancouver Police Department. The City and VPD do not discriminate based on political or religious affiliations and do not question prospective contractors or subcontractors regarding their political or religious affiliations.”
Vancouver City Councilor Ty Stober said he doesn’t think the city has the legal means to deny contracts to members of groups like Patriot Prayer.
“Our charter specifically says, as a council member, I am restricted to policy, and within the policy realm I am restricted by state law,” Stober says.
“We’re not benevolent dictators. We want to create an inclusive environment in our city, but we don’t get to pick and choose. Just because you’re a member of Patriot Prayer, that’s not going to provide us justification. I doubt being a gang member would be justification.”
Patriot Prayer USA LLC, was voluntarily dissolved on Sept. 18, 2019. Today Gibson asks supporters to send donations written in his name directly to the private mailbox previously used by Patriot Prayer USA LLC.
A Klansman and Neo-Nazi thinks Joey Gibson aligns himself with white supremacists
Steven Shane Howard says he hopes to hold events in Portland and Vancouver next month
“I know Joey Gibson” says Steven Shane Howard, a former “Imperial Wizard” for the North Mississippi White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan currently living in Vancouver, Washington. “I’ve seen white supremacists at his events.”
Howard’s associations with the Klan and Neo-Nazi movements have been well-documented by the both the Anti-defamation league and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Internal emails from the Vancouver Police Department, obtained by Underscore through a public records request, reveal that the FBI has was made aware of Howard's relocation to Vancouver and in February 2017 notified Vancouver police of Howard's active status in the KKK.
Gibson has repeatedly insisted that neither he, nor his group, Patriot Prayer, is racist. However, he and Patriot Prayer continue to draw support from people who are.
Howard says Gibson has discouraged him from attending Patriot Prayer events.
“He told me, ‘It’s better for me if you don’t come to my events,’” Howard says. “The only reason he doesn’t want guys like me coming around is because it hurts his image.”
Howard says he’s talked with Gibson and other members of Patriot Prayer and has found them sympathetic to his cause. He says it’s no accident that people like him show up.
“Joey Gibson does align himself with white supremacists” says Howard.
“That’s what pisses a lot of people off, that he hides it. But it’s obvious that it’s there” says Howard. “I am a white nationalist, and I’ve seen other white nationalists at his events.”
Howard says he plans on holding a “white nationalist” rally next month in downtown Portland followed by a “cross-burning ceremony” in Vancouver. “This is a stronghold I’m trying to get in the Pacific Northwest” says Howard, “I want this rally to put us back on the map.”
And, he says, he’s taking his cues from Gibson.
“Joey raises all this money and manpower,” Howard says. “He’s causing all these problems with his little group.”
This series is a collaboration between Underscore and Pamplin Media Group in partnership with The Columbian and with funding from Solutions Journalism Network and Meyer Memorial Trust . For one year, Sergio Olmos was granted on-the-record access to Joey Gibson, founder of Patriot Prayer, one of the violence-prone, far-right groups that seem to zero in on Portland as a way to gain attention for their cause. The content relies heavily on interviews with subjects, some of which were recorded by audio with the subjects knowledge and permission. These article are intended to demonstrate the complex relationships that sustain a growing movement of violence and hate.